Have you ever seen a baby pigeon? Or a pigeon in the night? Where do they go? In the second, more lighthearted episode of my Avice Caro podcast series I try to make sense of one of my favourite creatures "birds". I explore bird as animal, as symbol, as metaphor and make use of poetry, classical myth and even song to better understand them. This is a humorous analysis of our day to day encounters with the creatures. So whether you actually believe pigeons are CIA agents or not, enjoy the ride and listen to me read Sexton, Tolstoy, and tell tales about them in the Ovid.